I won't talk to anybody about anything unless it's a total "out the door" price. All those hidden items add up quickly. Tax, Title, tag, shipping, dealer prep, on and on. Took me almost an hour to get an out the door price on the 2016 Jeep I bought. I told them I was paying cash in full, "IF" they came up with a number I liked. Well, they kept coming up with numbers, and when I said OK, they then started adding all the BS. When I finally started walking, they got the point, and gave me a total figure. BTW, I'd never go back to that dealer, even for warranty work. Bunch of crooks. Bought my 2013 Rocket Roadster, sight unseen. Called the dealer on the phone, asked for an out the door price, he gave me one, and a $500 military discount, and I went and got a certified check. Got a ride to the dealer, handed them the check, and still had not even seen or ridden the bike. I'm sure they thought I was full of chit, until they had the check in hand. Got mine for $16,000 total, title, tag, tire and wheel warranty, etc. etc.