My usual response to "Is it fast?" is to simply state "It is fast."

My brother in law asked how big the engine was. I said 2.5 liters. Not having fully processed what I'd said, he asked how much that was in CC. I paused before answering, and could see the realization hit him.
 
Last Wednesday I did a couple of timed speed runs on the new Rocket Storm R at Elvington airfield (UK).
My conclusion is:
It's not particularly 'fast'. A 600cc sports bike can achieve the same top speed in those conditions. However, the key difference is the ease and the speed at which it reaches the top speed that you can physically hold the bike at without getting blown off track or becoming lifted up etc...
The bars are too wide. Your arms become sails in the wind. There is no aerodynamic efficiency to the bike. You can't tuck in behind anything.
It's a difficult bike to go the speed that the power and gearing can easily push it to theoretically.
So, I personally can't call the bike 'fast'. I would call it 'very powerful' and 'very quick' ....It gets up to it's terminal velocity very quickly and with seemingly very little effort.
 
It's all about shove with the Rocket, not how fast the number are spooling on the speedo. No other bike, with the possible exception of big inch Harleys, give this same sensation of motive force.
When you combine high torque with a relatively slow revving engine you get the sensation of effortless power. Faster revving engines may accelerate quicker but you need to use revs to produce it which make it feel that more effort is involved.
My Harley was the same. Although it had significantly less power and torque than the Rocket, a 1.9 litre engine is not to be sneezed at and it felt faster and more powerful than it really was which is what made it a pleasure to ride (apart from the seating position...). Jumping from the Harley to my KTM, the KTM was much faster but it felt busy and breathy in comparison. It's the difference between sprinting with a pounding heart and aching legs and walking down the road sedately but with an elephant pushing you in the back.

Speed is relative. How it's delivered is more important than outright numbers. No one rides at fixed high speed all the time. You can't on the road and in fact it would be boring. But you dip in and out of speed and it's how readily available that extra pace is when you want it that makes the difference. I find the sweet spot on the Rocket is between 3000 and 4000 rpm in fifth gear with the power on all the time. There's a huge well of pent up thrust right under your hand that you don't have to go looking for. It's there all the time and instantly accessible with the merest sniff of gas. You don't get that same sense from faster revving engines.
 
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I have been taking day rides place around 150-200 miles every few weeks and have put up like 2k miles the last 4 months. one of the frequently asked question from people when they see me parked somewhere

is it fast? like ducati/busa/bmw/etc fast?
Harley riders/enthusiasts -- does it vibrate when you go fast?

For the first question I answer mostly saying "Anyone can ride a fast bike but very few can ride a bike fast. This is a very fast bike but I ride it as fast as I am comfortable as I don't need to test how fast it can go."

for the second question I literally have no idea what to say since I have never owned a Harley although I want to buy a Fatboy at some point. If I say R3 never vibrates they dont seem to be convinced seeing that its a big/heavy bike.

What are your thoughts?
Who could ever convince a Harley rider that there is any other machine that is better in any way?
 
It's all about shove with the Rocket, not how fast the number are spooling on the speedo. No other bike, with the possible exception of big inch Harleys, give this same sensation of motive force.
When you combine high torque with a relatively slow revving engine you get the sensation of effortless power. Faster revving engines may accelerate quicker but you need to use revs to produce it which make it feel that more effort is involved.
My Harley was the same. Although it had significantly less power and torque than the Rocket, a 1.9 litre engine is not to be sneezed at and it felt faster and more powerful than it really was which is what made it a pleasure to ride (apart from the seating position...). Jumping from the Harley to my KTM, the KTM was much faster but it felt busy and breathy in comparison. It's the difference between sprinting with a pounding heart and aching legs and walking down the road sedately but with an elephant pushing you in the back.

Speed is relative. How it's delivered is more important than outright numbers. No one rides at fixed high speed all the time. You can't on the road and in fact it would be boring. But you dip in and out of speed and it's how readily available that extra pace is when you want it that makes the difference. I find the sweet spot on the Rocket is between 3000 and 4000 rpm in fifth gear with the power on all the time. There's a huge well of pent up thrust right under your hand that you don't have to go looking for. It's there all the time and instantly accessible with the merest sniff of gas. You don't get that same sense from faster revving engines.

Its alright so you've never been blown :D
 
How about the torque?

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I've had people do a double take when they see the 2500cc badge on the cam cover. Sometimes they'll take a photo of it. One chap asked me at a petrol station, 2500... how do you hang on to it?
The answer of course is, easily. It's an easy bike to ride. Is it fast? Of course it is. If you stick a 2.5L engine in a motorcycle you're going to notice. But there's plenty of "conventional" bikes that will out accelerate it - though maybe not in top gear roll-ons.

What I get from the Rocket, that you can't get to the same degree from any other bike in production, isn't so much warp drive acceleration but an overwhelming sense of thrust. Massive motive force at your back, all the time and everywhere, from nothing. For me that's what makes the Rocket uniquely satisfying and that's what I tell people. It's hard to explain to people who haven't ridden one.

Does it vibrate? Of course it does. Any engine with reciprocating moving parts will vibrate. But it's a creamy thrum, not a shudder or high frequency buzz. If it was possible to ride a bike blindfolded and I set off on a Rocket never having seen it, I'd know from the off-beat thrub on pullaways and the clucking from the intake that it was a triple. And I'd know it was longitudinal from the torque reaction at the crankshaft. Boxer engines and transverse V's rock from side to side, the Rocket gives a little rolling twitch. It's not going to be as smooth as a straight six but I get no intrusive vibes anywhere, not through the bars, seat or pegs, and nothing through my legs where they touch the engine.

I traded a 117" M8 Harley to buy my Rocket and to be fair to Harley and Harley riders, I can't say the big M8's are vibratory. You know it's a huge 1.9L V-twin but those engines are a million miles away from the old twin cams and Evo's which shook like a wet dog when you blipped the the throttle. M8's are remarkable smooth as they leave the factory. Obviously if you add lumpy cams, which a lot of people do, you will get the big pulses back but it's not a euphemism to describe it as "character", because that's what it is. It the innate character of a big, long stroke pushrod V-twin.

My Ducati has "Ducati" character. It's got so much compression and valve overlap it's gnarly and thudding off the throttle (It's not a stock engine). It's not a fault, and certainly not annoying. It's just the way it is. All part of the experience.

All my KTMs (I've had three, still got one) have been less thudding than Ducatis, though the Superduke was close off the bottom. It's more a trembling tingle which turns into a 2-stroke-like banshee wail at the top as it takes off like a scalded cat. that's just KTMs.

What I say to people who shake their head at the sight of the Rocket and ask what it's like to ride is, try one. Everyone should before they die, even if it's not your kind of bike. It's an experience in a class of one. There's nothing else like it on the market.
Very well done post there, @Gimlet!
You be a a wordsmith indeed!
 
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