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Diavel is a lot lighter, I believe, so not surprising at all.
Yes, Diavel is a lot lighter, but considering the enthusiastic initial reviews plus 2500cc vs 1200cc and R3 being a bike meant to compete with the Diavel, I was still surprised...
 
In comparing the Diavel and Rocket, the Diavel has an engine that is literally wrung out.... Desmodromic valve train, high compression pistons, super light construction, chain drive etc etc etc. It's made to rev and generate power. Not sure it's longevity is sacrificed doing so...

The Rocket engine even with close to 11 to 1 compression is mildly tuned. Compare the 2.5 liter engine GM used for years. It was rated at 196 hp and 186 ft/lbs of torque in a family car as a base engine. It ran for hundreds of thousands of miles.

Why is Triumph so hesitant to unleash their engines where Ducati isn't???
 
And don't forget the TFC version of the Rocket is over 180 hp vs the 165 of the standard versions. That should help in the ommmph comparison.

I wonder if the TFC tune will be available for the R and GT?
I sure hope so, I think limited editions like the TFC should be about the styling only. Denying the majority of buyers the whole potential of the bike would be disappointing to say the least. But who knows what strategy Triumph have in mind.
 
I might be willing to bet that the Rocket HP numbers ascend with each new year. That practice hasn't been common for Triumph like it has been for BMW or KTM. The HP for our Rockets was only bumped up once since 05. I look for a bump of 3-5 HP a year with a few minor upgrades. You need to keep the interest up.
 
In comparing the Diavel and Rocket, the Diavel has an engine that is literally wrung out.... Desmodromic valve train, high compression pistons, super light construction, chain drive etc etc etc. It's made to rev and generate power. Not sure it's longevity is sacrificed doing so...

The Rocket engine even with close to 11 to 1 compression is mildly tuned. Compare the 2.5 liter engine GM used for years. It was rated at 196 hp and 186 ft/lbs of torque in a family car as a base engine. It ran for hundreds of thousands of miles.

Why is Triumph so hesitant to unleash their engines where Ducati isn't???

Why ? Well , in my opinion it has something to do with guaranteering reliabilty of the mechanicalparts in the engine with this state of tuning.And something with costs...
 
Why ? Well , in my opinion it has something to do with guaranteering reliabilty of the mechanicalparts in the engine with this state of tuning.And something with costs...

I disagree. If General Motors can build a 2.5 liter engine with close to 200 hp and run it for hundreds of thousands of kilometers, why can't Triumph......????

Is the Ducati engine, which to me is maxed out for performance unreliable??? I don't think so.

Why can't Triumph build a performance version of the 2.5 liter engine and offer it as an option instead of having many of us do it after the fact?
 
I disagree. If General Motors can build a 2.5 liter engine with close to 200 hp and run it for hundreds of thousands of kilometers, why can't Triumph......????

Is the Ducati engine, which to me is maxed out for performance unreliable??? I don't think so.

Why can't Triumph build a performance version of the 2.5 liter engine and offer it as an option instead of having many of us do it after the fact?

I'm guessing at least part of the answer is cars have room for larger catalytic converters. As for Ducati reliability, are they still using the desmodromic system ? If they are I'm not sure why. There are engines turning over 20,000 rpm's using modern springs. That system may have been necessary in the past, but modern valves and springs solved the valve float problem years ago. It sounds like you about need someone from Italy to come set the valves for $$$.
 
And don't forget the TFC version of the Rocket is over 180 hp vs the 165 of the standard versions. That should help in the ommmph comparison.

I wonder if the TFC tune will be available for the R and GT?
I doubt Triumph will allow the TFC tune in the other bikes. It is part of the “custom” package which apparently is more than just carbon bling.
 
I disagree. If General Motors can build a 2.5 liter engine with close to 200 hp and run it for hundreds of thousands of kilometers, why can't Triumph......????

Is the Ducati engine, which to me is maxed out for performance unreliable??? I don't think so.

Why can't Triumph build a performance version of the 2.5 liter engine and offer it as an option instead of having many of us do it after the fact?

costs...Maxing out for performance the bike would be more 'pretty' pricey.:eek:And… a GM/Ducati engine has not the same concept as the 3 cylinder Rlll.
 
The Ducati Panigale makes 195 horsepower out of pretty much the same basic engine so I'm not so sure the Diavel motor is "wrung out". It should be plenty reliable (for a Ducati).

For sure, the Rocket engine is detuned to meet Euro 5 emissions and could make tonnes more grunt if allowed to have its head. That's probably why Triumph increased the capacity on what was already a stupidly big motorcycle engine. So they could have more power AND meet the new Euro 5 laws.
 
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