warp9.9
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No it is not and I did not agree with all the things he posted either but when it is only ok for certain people like yourself to post threats and some others who did not make such post get the boot it is not the way my schooling taught. But then I did not get my schooling locked down either.
I have stated before that IMO your postings during them heated discussions were no better yet it looks as if the good ole boy network kept you on the site. I noticed once he mellowed (which not for long and he was booted) you did not and as I have stated I thought in all fairness you both should have been booted or none of you given the boot. It is amazing what happened after the law was involved.
I do not agree with his constant posting of his opinions of the CT verses a MC tire as it was clear to me that what engineers thought meant nothing to you and some others especially after seeing how you treated CKtire who has years of experience in this area.
It seems to me that everyone loses once you start adding you 2 cents worth and someone disagrees with you. As for myself I realize my opinion does not matter to some and I am good with that. Just as I am good with not posting any information given to me by him as the way you put it out there it is not reliable anyway. If they want information from him then they can contact him on the .com site and what gets passed on is between him and them. It is not my place to get in between that.
When I come up with stuff I can share to benefit people on this site I post it. If I find something from someone else that I can post I do. But I will not cut my source of knowledge by posting anything given to me by a source if I am asked not to put it out.
As I stated before there are many here that will loose the benefits of his knowledge because of a handful of good-ole boy's. It is a true shame it has to be this way. And in this case the needs of the many on this site did not outweigh the needs of the few!!!
Again I say I did not agree with how he went about posting as if it seemed like he was nagging. I tried to get him to stay away from an area that seemed to be loaded with dead horses but he did not listen to me. That’s on him not me. There are plenty here that understand this, whether they are ones that contribute by posting or ones that learn by just reading
scowherd
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I am sure there are as many opinions as there are members on this subject. The bottom line is that your tires are the only thing between you and the pavement and the rider should make the decision on the tires he runs based on Safety. There is no right or wrong answer to the MC vs CT question only opinions. Not sure why everyone waste so much time on the subject. ride Safe
BTW: I prefer My tires to be rubber and round.
BTW: I prefer My tires to be rubber and round.
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what your leaving out is the term "stalker" ... I may hover around a topic but I have never followed an individual around this or any other site. Yes, I can argue a topic, you do a better job than I. The difference, and it's a MAJOR difference ... is that Art (and a certain protege of his) follow you around an fling insults at you from every direction. When you post on an unrelated thread something completely inoculate and have to endure childish insults over and over because the individual is following you, it's called "internet bullying".
And yes, I'll call them on it and if they think they are as big a bully in real life as in cyber space ,,, I'm a big boy.
Internet stalking and bullying is like cutting someone off in a car ... you have anonymity and become braver than you would face to face. Art reveled in that illusion of power and it makes me sick. Given enough time, sick and angry. So yeah, I threatened him ... I threatened him with having to shed that cloak of anonymity, my bad.
If you condone that behavior because he knows a guy who makes bike parts, I make no apologies for losing that resource.
He followed people around and bullied them, he deserved everything he got.
And yes, I'll call them on it and if they think they are as big a bully in real life as in cyber space ,,, I'm a big boy.
Internet stalking and bullying is like cutting someone off in a car ... you have anonymity and become braver than you would face to face. Art reveled in that illusion of power and it makes me sick. Given enough time, sick and angry. So yeah, I threatened him ... I threatened him with having to shed that cloak of anonymity, my bad.
If you condone that behavior because he knows a guy who makes bike parts, I make no apologies for losing that resource.
He followed people around and bullied them, he deserved everything he got.
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Give it a rest, already, Kelly. You make your point about internet bullying and then post such puffery as "I'm a big boy."
If it's me that you were referring to as IFT's "protege'", so be it. I could be associated with considerably worse and far less respectable people that frequent the R3 sites.
It is the eve of a New Year. Perhaps we could all put an end to such petty bickering?
In the event that you have forgotten, I was a newbie first and shortly thereafter became a Darksider much earlier this year when Art was constantly baiting and badgering folks here on the subject. Unlike others, I saw his annoying posts for what they were... just his way of being facetious and teasing some of the readers here (albeit, rather obnoxiously). Rather than blowing a gasket and going all Jihad on the guy, I urged him to take a chill pill and, further, I reached out to him, by phone, in order to get a better measure of the man and to try to discern where he was coming from. In a similar vein, I spoke to you a few times by phone, as well.
None of us are bad guys. We are, however, human and at times we allow our emotions to get the better of us. Pig9R overreacted to a situation. IMO he made the wrong call and some bad moves of his own.
I am calling for detente. Why can't we agree to disagree more agreebly? It just isn't that difficult to be respectful of other's opinions in a reasonably civil manner. I have been guilty, on occasion, of some of the unenviable behavior I am urging others to curb, so I will make a better effort to follow my own advice. Hopefully, others will follow suit...
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If it's me that you were referring to as IFT's "protege'", so be it. I could be associated with considerably worse and far less respectable people that frequent the R3 sites.
It is the eve of a New Year. Perhaps we could all put an end to such petty bickering?
In the event that you have forgotten, I was a newbie first and shortly thereafter became a Darksider much earlier this year when Art was constantly baiting and badgering folks here on the subject. Unlike others, I saw his annoying posts for what they were... just his way of being facetious and teasing some of the readers here (albeit, rather obnoxiously). Rather than blowing a gasket and going all Jihad on the guy, I urged him to take a chill pill and, further, I reached out to him, by phone, in order to get a better measure of the man and to try to discern where he was coming from. In a similar vein, I spoke to you a few times by phone, as well.
None of us are bad guys. We are, however, human and at times we allow our emotions to get the better of us. Pig9R overreacted to a situation. IMO he made the wrong call and some bad moves of his own.
I am calling for detente. Why can't we agree to disagree more agreebly? It just isn't that difficult to be respectful of other's opinions in a reasonably civil manner. I have been guilty, on occasion, of some of the unenviable behavior I am urging others to curb, so I will make a better effort to follow my own advice. Hopefully, others will follow suit...
O.K, now everyone sing
:YouTube - KUMBAYA / Sir Ivan / I AM PEACEMAN
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...and you should heed the stick.
This is an open conversation in a public forum, HF, and you suggest that you're not "talking" to me? Get real! You're not "talking" to anyone in particular, you're holding a one man pissing contest, as far as I can tell. If you want to hold an exclusive conversation, try the PM function!
This is an open conversation in a public forum, HF, and you suggest that you're not "talking" to me? Get real! You're not "talking" to anyone in particular, you're holding a one man pissing contest, as far as I can tell. If you want to hold an exclusive conversation, try the PM function!
PeteOZ
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hahahahaha....very succinct and logical, scowherd. I must admit that I can see valid points from all 3 major "protagonists" (don't take offense guys, it's just a new word I found in my dictionary
), and I haven't seen anyone change their viewpoint based on any of the many "discussions" (some of which are actually about tyres ). I am sure this will remain the same after the release of the magazine review because, as you rightly point out, there really is no right or wrong answer. I'm also sure however, that some will seize on anything in the review that in their opinion supports their viewpoint, so the debate will continue. Human nature, unfortunately.
I'm not sure if I have interpreted your comment on making the tyre selection "based on safety" correctly, so I apologise in advance if I'm off track, but if safety were the only reason for a tyre selection, wouldn't everyone be riding around on tyres that offer the best grip etc, at around $1000 a pop and replacing them every thousand miles or so? This would be impractical for most of us, so a safety/lifestyle compromise (such as a car tyre for touring longevity) that fits each individual needs to be adopted. Hope I've expressed that properly.
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Well, I'm sure happy that your dictionary didn't lead you to label the "3 majors" as antagonists, Pete.
I am certain that everyone, O.K., most, made their contributions with a mind to providing any inquiring minds with a well rounded (no pun intended) take on the subject!
I am certain that everyone, O.K., most, made their contributions with a mind to providing any inquiring minds with a well rounded (no pun intended) take on the subject!
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Can't speak for Scowherd but I will choose the best SAFE option for me; not just the safest tire. Mileage, handling, price, looks etc can all be traded off to varying degrees but safety should be a non negotiable criterion regardless of riding style. Is such a super sticky tire even available and if so is it a road-legal option? If not, its hypothetical existance adds nothing to this discussion.
Triumph really f***ed up when it decided on the 16" wheel as it is that decision that has so limited our options as to force many to consider CTs. Then there's the other matter of whether MTs can really cope with the weight and torque levels of big cruisers. I could tow a caravan with my bike now yet it leaves a footprint of about 3 inches of rubber on the road. No wonder we rip through the MTs.
I would add one thing, Pete. This has been one of the most controvercial and enjoyable threads on this site and I'm really glad you started it off. I hope at the end we don't all just pick the bits from the article we like as its the objective findings that are most relevant. As I've said before, personal opinions are good but not a sound basis for such an important decision.
The best outcome will not be whether CTs are OK or better or worse, but that the discussion and the article provide a catalist for some sensible consideration by bike and tire manufacturers of the real needs of this large and apparently growing segment of the motorcycle market.
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