Crash

[cr0ft]

Cr0ft,
Interesting comment you made regarding 20% head hits strike the chin.
Could you please provide or point me to the data that backs this up?

20% may actually be conservative, it adds up to over 30%. I didn't have the graph handy and I remembered wrong: http://dontai.com/wp/2010/05/20/motorcycle-helmet-impact-zones (first relevant hit off a Google search).

As I said, people make their own choices, but having your chin sheared clean off won't kill you, it will just leave you disfigured, so I'll stick with my modular helmet. It's not much of a face but it's a face.

 

[cr0ft]

Would I ride again, no... I really miss riding, loved my R3T... but I would not put my wife, my family through this again... I'm sad about that, but it's a learning. There is a cost that I'm not prepared to have others pay for me.

Understandable, especially after the fact. That said, we'll all die one way or the other, and weighing the joy of riding with the potential downsides is something we all have to do.

You could just as well have slipped in the tub and smashed your skull in. In the US, 6000 people or more people die in falls in the home every year - well over twice the deaths from motorcycling. And riders can definitely adjust their danger level by the simple expedient of wearing a high-quality full face helmet and proper riding gear with armor - especially a spine protector - to distribute any impact force on the spine in addition to training and driving defensively. But everyone has to choose to ride or not for themselves - and noone can argue that it doesn't raise one's risk.

 

[stephantmi]

Understandable, especially after the fact. That said, we'll all die one way or the other, and weighing the joy of riding with the potential downsides is something we all have to do.

You could just as well have slipped in the tub and smashed your skull in. In the US, 6000 people or more people die in falls in the home every year - well over twice the deaths from motorcycling. And riders can definitely adjust their danger level by the simple expedient of wearing a high-quality full face helmet and proper riding gear with armor - especially a spine protector - to distribute any impact force on the spine in addition to training and driving defensively. But everyone has to choose to ride or not for themselves - and noone can argue that it doesn't raise one's risk.

I'm sorry, but you don't seem to understand where I was coming from... It's not the personal risk that I'm worried about. It's the risk that my family has to assume by my choice to ride.
You have a 3 times the risk of death in a motorcycle than a car or in an accident at home (including your bath tub).
A motorcycle is more risky... I saw my wife's face when I woke in the hospital, I care to much to do that again.

 

[ROCKETHEAD]

Guys back off on analyzing every fn thing... this thread is not to debate the what, where and why. Give Stephan the support and understanding of what he is going through and learn from his experience...

I am glad you are still with us, it is a surreal event that you experienced and made me go full gear yesterday when I went for a short ride and I hugged my loved ones before I left.

All the best and stay strong on your road to recovery.

 

[Rolltide100]

Guys back off on analyzing every fn thing... this thread is not to debate the what, where and why. Give Stephan the support and understanding of what he is going through and learn from his experience...

I am glad you are still with us, it is a surreal event that you experienced and made me go full gear yesterday when I went for a short ride and I hugged my loved ones before I left.

All the best and stay strong on your road to recovery.

Glad you got that out in the open, because I was about to get censored and or banned for replying to previous posts. Sometimes I struggle with such issues.

 

[cr0ft]

Guys back off on analyzing every fn thing... this thread is not to debate the what, where and why. Give Stephan the support and understanding of what he is going through and learn from his experience....

Yeah, I do have a tendency to try to use logic and analysis - but that said, I too am glad Stephan lived, albeit with the profound challenge of dealing with the wheel chair. My post wasn't meant to in anyway minimize that, nor the suffering loved ones go through in the event of a crash.

And frankly, I would humbly submit especially in light of his experience that helmet and spine protector is one lesson riders everywhere should take to heart. Accidents happen, but we can prepare for the eventuality - as much for our families as ourselves.

Anyway, I certainly wish Stephan the best of luck with recovery and adjusting to the situation.

 

[1olbull]

20% may actually be conservative, it adds up to over 30%. I didn't have the graph handy and I remembered wrong: http://dontai.com/wp/2010/05/20/motorcycle-helmet-impact-zones (first relevant hit off a Google search).

As I said, people make their own choices, but having your chin sheared clean off won't kill you, it will just leave you disfigured, so I'll stick with my modular helmet. It's not much of a face but it's a face.

Thanks Amigo!
However, I find nothing about facial area impacts within the Hurt Report. What was offered uis only the blogger's opinion as far as I can read.
I do agree that wearing a helmet is the only way to go and that a full face would be safer than an open face.

 

[CanberraR3]

Glad you got that out in the open, because I was about to get censored and or banned for replying to previous posts. Sometimes I struggle with such issues.

Same.

 

[dobro]

Understandable, especially after the fact. That said, we'll all die one way or the other, and weighing the joy of riding with the potential downsides is something we all have to do.

You could just as well have slipped in the tub and smashed your skull in. In the US, 6000 people or more people die in falls in the home every year - well over twice the deaths from motorcycling. And riders can definitely adjust their danger level by the simple expedient of wearing a high-quality full face helmet and proper riding gear with armor - especially a spine protector - to distribute any impact force on the spine in addition to training and driving defensively. But everyone has to choose to ride or not for themselves - and noone can argue that it doesn't raise one's risk.

According to the National Highway Transportation Safety Board, the risk of death per mile driven while riding a motorcycle is 16 times greater than in an automobile. Wearing a helmet reduces that per mile risk by 29%, so with a helmet the risk becomes "only" 11.36 times greater than an automobile.

 

[Boog]