Bike dead again.

[warp9.9]

Punker if its the one in your avatar picture the color is 07 Classic since it has a silver engine and if it came with the saddle bags and back rest its a Classic Tourer. Which is a Classic with a silver engine and all the belss and whistles on it. A darn good bike. As for the igniton switch problem they all eventually have it mine took 60,000 miles. The only thing I can not see if you have fllor boards or not or I would definetly say its a Classic Tourer.

 

[TURBO200R4]

i do not agree, i don't believe that it is the main wire going into the ign switch.
is the gauges making the sweep?
in order for it to start you have to
in neutral green light on clutch lever pulled in
always clutch lever pulled in
or kick stand up clutch lever pulled in you can start in gear.


trouble shooting tree
questions
#1 when you turn the key on does the needles sweep yes go to # 2
or no could be battery,ignition switch,fuses,connectors under the tank,engine management relay,ect

#2 does the green light come on for neutral yes go to #3
or no could be not in neutral, bad gear sensor,wiring

#3 with the clutch lever pulled in push starter button does the engine turn over yes go to #4
or no could be bad starter button, bad kick stand or not all the way up, bad starter relay, bad battery or bad connections at battery,

#4 the engine is turning over good does the motor start yes your are ok till problem shows up.
or no. Can you hear the fuel running for about 2 seconds as soon as you turn the key on yes go to #5
or no could be bad fuel pump, fuel pump relay,wiring

#5 assuming the fuel pump has enough pressure the problem could be terminals at coils,bad gas,injector or injector wiring.

we have seen connectors,fuse terminals, the wire on ign. switch melting,

this is just a helping hand and does not cover all problems. there may be mistakes in this as i have not spent a lot of time typing this. i may make changes latter and welcome info from hanso, warp and others to correct the info i have typed here.

hope this helps herman

 

[TRIIICK]

i do not agree, i don't believe that it is the main wire going into the clutch lever pulled in you can start in gear.



#5 assuming the fuel pump has enough pressure the problem could be terminals at coils,bad gas,injector or injector wiring.

JMTC.... Two things i always do to my 05 keep it on the battery tender and run fuel injector cleaner(seafoam) every other gas tank fill up threw the system...

 

[warp9.9]

i do not agree, i don't believe that it is the main wire going into the ign switch.
is the gauges making the sweep?
in order for it to start you have to
in neutral green light on clutch lever pulled in
always clutch lever pulled in
or kick stand up clutch lever pulled in you can start in gear.





trouble shooting tree
questions
#1 when you turn the key on does the needles sweep yes go to # 2
or no could be battery,ignition switch,fuses,connectors under the tank,engine management relay,ect

#2 does the green light come on for neutral yes go to #3
or no could be not in neutral, bad gear sensor,wiring

#3 with the clutch lever pulled in push starter button does the engine turn over yes go to #4
or no could be bad starter button, bad kick stand or not all the way up, bad starter relay, bad battery or bad connections at battery,

#4 the engine is turning over good does the motor start yes your are ok till problem shows up.
or no. Can you hear the fuel running for about 2 seconds as soon as you turn the key on yes go to #5
or no could be bad fuel pump, fuel pump relay,wiring

#5 assuming the fuel pump has enough pressure the problem could be terminals at coils,bad gas,injector or injector wiring.

we have seen connectors,fuse terminals, the wire on ign. switch melting,

this is just a helping hand and does not cover all problems. there may be mistakes in this as i have not spent a lot of time typing this. i may make changes latter and welcome info from hanso, warp and others to correct the info i have typed here.

hope this helps herman

Sage advice bud but it does not explain why when he reached up and wiggled the wires going into the igniton switch the bugger fired up. Many and I mean many ignition switches have go bad over the years and moany people have got the bike to fire by wiggling the wires going into the igniton switch. My self I caught it befoer it got that bad mine would just loose the head light (wich the juice goes thru the igniton switch) when I roll above 5 psi boost. The white wire has been the cuprit for many of years. There are enough pictures on the sight of the white wire turning brown and solder that has melted to justify going there first. A easy bypass when your on the road proves it out also.

Like I said Herman you advice in trouble shooting is great and people should make note of it but I think Punkers problem is the switch.
there is only two fixes the will eliminte it one being addign the head light relay bypass and fixing or replacing the switch, And two bieng Ians fix which is add the head light relay and go keyless leaving the ignition switch there so you can still lock the forks. Unless of course you do not care about the lock then install a power outlet in its place.

 

[Punker]

Turbo. My bike does everything that you have mentioned. It's either dead with no lights when you try and start it apart from horn and indicators or if it's running it runs well. I can hear the fuel pump and the clocks sweep etc etc. It really do sound like the ignition switch. Thanks for the great info mate.

Warp. Yes it has floorboards so it is a classis tourer.

 

[TOMCAT]

good onya Punker .. knew you were made of sterner stuff than just throwing the towel in .. know it gets frustrating when they are playing up. Think just about all of us have been there.

 

[bruce aussie]

Mine is a 2010 Roadster that has had the recall relay fitted but I still carry an Ozrider hot wire harness under the seat just incase.

 

[Mittzy]

Me too Bruce

 

[CanberraR3]

I was showing off my Ozrider harness just the other day. Hopefully I never have to use it.
I reckon it's the white wire - or the pin it connects to in the plug under the front of the tank. I bridged the plug about 2 years ago after the bike just stopped. To that point I could get moving by tugging on the plug or even just whacking the bars from side to side. As I say, 2 years ago and no trouble since.

 

[TURBO200R4]

i guess i need to clarify my post # 12.
what i meant was that i thought that the white wire was still in tact because he was getting power to the horn. the only way to get power to the horn is for power to be going through the ign. switch.
i do think the ign switch is bad and should be replaced because i think it has bad contacts and is dropping voltage at fuse #5 and #9 which can be measured using a volt meter. if not repaired it can create a lot of heat and melt the soldier at the white wire. or heat on the connector causing the terminals to open up ect.

i agree with the head light mod to remove power through the ign switch, should be done on any rocket.

i did not read the post like he moved the bars and it started. i read it like it just started the next morning. may have been my mistake.