2013 R3T ABS - ABS Fail?

[cootertwo]

Well, it's pretty obvious that a car tire has more contact area with the road, "while going straight". I just don't like the way they look when going around a corner, and having to run low air pressure is a bit scarey, if you've ever had a tire come off the bead while in motion. My ABS has already saved my butt once. "Emergency Stop" = ***** with cell phone stuck in ear, turns left, RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU!

 

[STRIPES]

do not forget front 90% rear 10% that is the standard ratio for most efficient braking

Because I am from the old school chopper era, I had the wrong idea about front brakes..... Not having a front brake for many years (spool hubs) created a bad habit and I had to re-learn. Since being an R3 owner, and listening here on this site, I now value greatly the power of the front brake and seldom use the rear brake very much. But, it sure is nice to have the extra traction on the rear when it is needed.

 

[1olbull]

So you would take the word of Motorcyclist Magazine staff rider or cruiser magazing simply because it is in print? Many of us have logged more miles than any of those guys. What other types of experienced people do you call out? Heart surgeons? Police officers? Mechanical Engineers?

Elvis,
"Thank you very much" (in best Elvis voice) for your comments.
I work in the scientific field of cage and motor crash analysis. Motor magazines that do brake testing use professional riders. I'm sure you know, emergency braking of a motor is HIGHLY variable skill. Professional riders can achieve rates exceeding 1g. Most real world riders can reach only about .6g. Any cage driver can achieve .75g or more simply by slamming on the brake pedal. The problems are obvious - MOST motor riders can NOT stop in an emergence fashion as well as any cage. This is based on a lot of controlled scientific testing - not M/C mags.

As the dark side debate rages on, please bear in mind that to date it is based ONLY upon the conjecture and biased opinions of those involved. Most scientific vehicle testing regarding cages and motors is done through the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers). No one in that community has taken the car tire on a motor issue serious enough to conduct any testing. Furthermore, no one promoting the dark side community has put the bucks up to prove their case through scientific testing.

So, my friend, it is most definitely NOT about what the M/C mags report. No offense; but, your statement about how many miles someone has ridden a M/C has absolutely no bearing on rider skill level. I have ridden & raced professionally as well as hundreds of thousands of miles on the highways of America over my 63 years of riding. There are thousands of kids in their 20's racing professionally today that possess infinitely more riding skills than either you or I combined.
Best Regards,
1olbull

 

[Elvis]

Elvis,
"Thank you very much" (in best Elvis voice) for your comments.
I work in the scientific field of cage and motor crash analysis. Motor magazines that do brake testing use professional riders. I'm sure you know, emergency braking of a motor is HIGHLY variable skill. Professional riders can achieve rates exceeding 1g. Most real world riders can reach only about .6g. Any cage driver can achieve .75g or more simply by slamming on the brake pedal. The problems are obvious - MOST motor riders can NOT stop in an emergence fashion as well as any cage. This is based on a lot of controlled scientific testing - not M/C mags.

As the dark side debate rages on, please bear in mind that to date it is based ONLY upon the conjecture and biased opinions of those involved. Most scientific vehicle testing regarding cages and motors is done through the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers). No one in that community has taken the car tire on a motor issue serious enough to conduct any testing. Furthermore, no one promoting the dark side community has put the bucks up to prove their case through scientific testing.

So, my friend, it is most definitely NOT about what the M/C mags report. No offense; but, your statement about how many miles someone has ridden a M/C has absolutely no bearing on rider skill level. I have ridden & raced professionally as well as hundreds of thousands of miles on the highways of America over my 63 years of riding. There are thousands of kids in their 20's racing professionally today that possess infinitely more riding skills than either you or I combined.
Best Regards,
1olbull

Elvis,
"Thank you very much" (in best Elvis voice) for your comments.
I work in the scientific field of cage and motor crash analysis. Motor magazines that do brake testing use professional riders. I'm sure you know, emergency braking of a motor is HIGHLY variable skill. Professional riders can achieve rates exceeding 1g. Most real world riders can reach only about .6g. Any cage driver can achieve .75g or more simply by slamming on the brake pedal. The problems are obvious - MOST motor riders can NOT stop in an emergence fashion as well as any cage. This is based on a lot of controlled scientific testing - not M/C mags.

As the dark side debate rages on, please bear in mind that to date it is based ONLY upon the conjecture and biased opinions of those involved. Most scientific vehicle testing regarding cages and motors is done through the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers). No one in that community has taken the car tire on a motor issue serious enough to conduct any testing. Furthermore, no one promoting the dark side community has put the bucks up to prove their case through scientific testing.

So, my friend, it is most definitely NOT about what the M/C mags report. No offense; but, your statement about how many miles someone has ridden a M/C has absolutely no bearing on rider skill level. I have ridden & raced professionally as well as hundreds of thousands of miles on the highways of America over my 63 years of riding. There are thousands of kids in their 20's racing professionally today that possess infinitely more riding skills than either you or I combined.
Best Regards,
1olbull

Someone has their panties in wad (not me, I don't need bold print). How many of the racers ride rockets? nuff said. Triumph designed a motorcycle without an acceptable tire for it. I bought one of the first touring models and had already replace the original tire in less that 2500 miles due to a blister. Was running an AVON when the recall came out and went and got my metz, while better than the original, it was still a pitiful excuse for a tire. I have had two very close calls on the car tire that would have taken my life if I had been running the Metzler as it wouldn't stop for ****.

I don't give a rats ass if you get one or not but when you talk out it about those of us that use them I will not let it pass. Good day!

 

[Elvis]

My experience for comparison was having two running R3's. One darkside and the other with the factory issued Metz. I would get into trouble because I would try to operate the bike with Metz like the one with the passenger car tire. I took no data or made any recordings of experience other than brown stains on my shorts. Two machines side by side for comparison is my basis for my conviction passenger vehicle tires are safer. Both R3's now have passenger vehicle tires.

When it comes to this bike I agree. I intend to try a Michelin Commander next but will probably when come back to the car tire after Michelin wears funny or blisters.

 

[albertaduke]

Because I am from the old school chopper era, I had the wrong idea about front brakes..... Not having a front brake for many years (spool hubs) created a bad habit and I had to re-learn. Since being an R3 owner, and listening here on this site, I now value greatly the power of the front brake and seldom use the rear brake very much. But, it sure is nice to have the extra traction on the rear when it is needed.

I hear you ..... but how many captains 0n this forum do you figure are still considering the rear brake as the main brake? from reading I 'd say quite a few old habits are hard to break,,

 

[1olbull]

Someone has their panties in wad (not me, I don't need bold print). How many of the racers ride rockets? nuff said. Triumph designed a motorcycle without an acceptable tire for it. I bought one of the first touring models and had already replace the original tire in less that 2500 miles due to a blister. Was running an AVON when the recall came out and went and got my metz, while better than the original, it was still a pitiful excuse for a tire. I have had two very close calls on the car tire that would have taken my life if I had been running the Metzler as it wouldn't stop for ****.

I don't give a rats ass if you get one or not but when you talk out it about those of us that use them I will not let it pass. Good day!

DEAR ELVIS,
PLEASE EXCUSE THE FU*K OUTTA ME. This (ALL CAPS) is yelling - the use of bold type is not.

Me thinks you be the one with the wadded panties. My comments had absolutely nothing pro or con to do with the use of a car tire. I said NOTHING negative about using a car tire. Put one on front - Put one up your ass - I don't give a rip what you do.

I asked a simple question regarding non subjective testing data to support what you say and you failed and/or refused to answer that.
I thought this is/was a thread about "ABS Fail" and not the darkside forum. My intent was NOT to incite any cool aid drinkers - just trying to see if there is any non subjective data about ABS versus non ABS car tire testing due to design, size, profile and weight differences of the tires.

Have a peanut butter and bananna sandwich & chill, Amigo.
1olbull

 

[slidderhd]

I use to race in the mountains of So. Cali. years ago. I never used a rear brake accept lightly in corners if I entered to hot. I had Harley's for awhile, and they tended to need using the rear a little because brakes were spongy at best. The height of the foot brake on the R3T seems a little high to my taste and I almost have to lift my foot to engage it, which affects my ability to feather it in an emergency. I only use the rear mainly two up and/or while pulling a camper. I can tell very strongly that it takes more effort to get the rear to lock with the car tire vs the ME880 I had on it before. I also have 15 k on this Run Flat running 40 psi and the wear is minimal.

As far as scientific data goes, nobody will touch testing car tires on bikes simply because tire manufactures will not support it. I know what I know because I had my first R3T Highside when the rear locked up when I thought I was just easing on it. Can I prove it is better? No, but I do have piece of mind.

 

[albertaduke]

I use to race in the mountains of So. Cali. years ago. I never used a rear brake accept lightly in corners if I entered to hot. I had Harley's for awhile, and they tended to need using the rear a little because brakes were spongy at best. The height of the foot brake on the R3T seems a little high to my taste and I almost have to lift my foot to engage it, which affects my ability to feather it in an emergency. I only use the rear mainly two up and/or while pulling a camper. I can tell very strongly that it takes more effort to get the rear to lock with the car tire vs the ME880 I had on it before. I also have 15 k on this Run Flat running 40 psi and the wear is minimal.

As far as scientific data goes, nobody will touch testing car tires on bikes simply because tire manufactures will not support it. I know what I know because I had my first R3T Highside when the rear locked up when I thought I was just easing on it. Can I prove it is better? No, but I do have piece of mind.

slidderherd...

tell the captains in the US more about front braking seems lot of them are still using the rear as their main brakes... this is my main peeve and I wished those who do brake from the rear would open their mind and look at some video showing both side of the coin
maybe we can save some brown short at least if we badger on