Remap for after market exhausts?

Rocket Man

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Howdi all, I'm hearing different stories related to the after market exhausts - some say you must have a remap, others say you don't - obviously the official line from the dealers is that you do need a remap, but does anyone know if the engine management system compensates for the difference if its left to idle for 15 - 20 minutes?

Thanks all.
 
A lot depends on what kind of exhaust it is and if you remove the cat or not. Though people have run just about every type of exhaust without a remap. I wouldn't waste my time with a Triumph remap of the ECU, you will acutally lose power as the tunes close the secondaries more in the upper RPM ranges than the base stock tune.

If you want to get the most out of upgrading your exhaust you should load a new tune with TuneEcu or get a PCIII.
 
The Keihin ECU is not nearly as smart, nor as fast, as many modern automotive PCMs.
It uses a narrow band Lambda sensor to target Lambda 1.0 at idle and cruise.

At wider throttle openings than 6-8% TPS, it cannot keep up and is out of its narrow operating range. It will not correct for even richer requirements at even 20% TPS.

It can slightly increase overall fueling if it sees excessively lean conditions at idle and cruise, but only by very small amounts.

As a result, is cannot correct for larger increases in intake and exhaust flow through the engine.

Think of it this way, if you decrease restrictions in the exhaust or intake, more air is entering the combustion chamber due to improvements in flow and pulse tuning. More air demands more fuel for correct operation. Stock maps are designed for emissions and noise reduction. They can be seriously lean in stock form. The further you modify the engine from stock, the less the stock mapping will be correct for your needs.

A simple change to a less restrictive silencer, with or without catalyst, and altering the secondary operation, is more then the ECU can handle on its own.

With the release of FREE software that uses an inexpensive cable (less than a few gallons of fuel) for interfacing with the ECU, and many working on freely (soon to be) available maps, the excuse for not giving the engine what is wants and needs, just doesn't exist anymore. Even just downloading a canned map can be a big improvement.

It is not like you are riding a Jap cruiser and your only option is to purchase a piggy-back fuel controller. For the price of that controller alone, you can now pay to have your bike fully and correctly mapped.
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I hope this helps.
 
:confused: Thanks guys - I think!

But if you could you take it down a notch it'd be great - I'm a standard bore remember :D with no technical background.

Power Tripp, are you saying I can connect to the ECU and download a free map? Sounds a bit scary.

Very, very simple please.

Thanks again.
 
:confused: Thanks guys - I think!

But if you could you take it down a notch it'd be great - I'm a standard bore remember :D with no technical background.

Power Tripp, are you saying I can connect to the ECU and download a free map? Sounds a bit scary.

Very, very simple please.

Thanks again.


Rocket man I was where you are not too long ago and yes there are FREE map now on the forum so as a newbie to another one, do the following the expert can give the evil eye if I am wrong..
download on your PC tunECU sotware and maps it is free on this forum there will be a "key"as part of the software , unzip it and move it in the tuneecu icon on your desktop buy on ebay the $15. cable that wil connect your bike to the laptop when connected turn your ignition on do not start and make sure the kill switch is off now your computer and the bike will be talking to each other, check the orange square turning green in the bottom right corner of the screen

now the experts can take over and tell you how to change your map
 
As Alberta posted, there is software available for free (TuneECU) that allows replacing or modifying stock or tuned maps in all Triumph triples. There are several threads covering this in the Trading Tunes section of this board.

This way you can try any of the stock Triumph R3 maps, and some of the modified and tuned maps that are available - even more will be available soon. You need to look at any and all performance modifications done to your bike, and select the map accordingly.

As for stock maps - some work well, others not so well. I recently had an R3 come in running TORS silencers, a cat delete, and the K&N underseat air filter. The bike had the correct map for this exhaust, but the bike ran poorly. It was terrible just pulling away from a stop, and would die when slowing down every so often.

After tuning and remapping the ECU with TuneECU, the bike now runs very well at all engine speeds and loads, and we picked up a good amount of power everywhere - especially at wide open throttle. I posted a thread with the results in the Trading Tunes section and included the map that was developed, so that others can test it.

I hope this helps,
-Wayne
 
Rocket man I was where you are not too long ago and yes there are FREE map now on the forum so as a newbie to another one, do the following the expert can give the evil eye if I am wrong..
download on your PC tunECU sotware and maps it is free on this forum there will be a "key"as part of the software , unzip it and move it in the tuneecu icon on your desktop buy on ebay the $15. cable that wil connect your bike to the laptop when connected turn your ignition on do not start and make sure the kill switch is off now your computer and the bike will be talking to each other...



Once again guys thank you. Some more dumb questions though...

Alberta, brilliant info thanks, appreciate you dumbing it down for me, don't s'pose you know if this works on a Mac do you - or is it just pc I'll wager? Also, this cable you mention, what am I searching for exactly on eBay - specific search term or name?

Power-Tripp, thanks also, you seem pretty relaxed about trying different maps until you find the right one - is that right? Presumably you can't do too much damage in this process then? Ps, I was in Alabama (Fairhope) a couple of years back - God's country, very beautiful man!

Safe riding everyone.
 
Once again guys thank you. Some more dumb questions though...

Alberta, brilliant info thanks, appreciate you dumbing it down for me, don't s'pose you know if this works on a Mac do you - or is it just pc I'll wager? Also, this cable you mention, what am I searching for exactly on eBay - specific search term or name?

Power-Tripp, thanks also, you seem pretty relaxed about trying different maps until you find the right one - is that right? Presumably you can't do too much damage in this process then? Ps, I was in Alabama (Fairhope) a couple of years back - God's country, very beautiful man!

Safe riding everyone.

I do not know if it requires something else for MAC I use a PC but here is the cable on ebay
item number:260623776127
 
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