Range Rover runs over bikers

rocket3jjd said:

I'm not condoning this behavior at all I'm just stating facts
I've had people do this to me while in in a cage and on my bikes
The *****pulled in front of him and slowed down
HE SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN
He didn't he hit him
In my state he is at fault period
Then he runs
After running over a bike or two
Really how did he expect it would end
He got off waaay lucky
Some of the people I know and ride with there would have been no video and no witnesses
But I've said too much
The SUV driver was at fault legally
Just as if some one would have cut you off to hit an exit ramp

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A rear end collision is not the following drivers fault when there is clear and convincing evidence that the driver in front is illegally impeding the safe flow of traffic. You are incorrect in the assumption that it is always the driver in rear's fault. The motorcyclist is clearly with convincing evidence intentionally disrupting the safe flow of traffic.

Here is the section from the Virginia Traffic Code (similar code exists in all 50 states):

§ 46.2-877. Minimum speed limits.

No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

Whenever the Commissioner of Highways or local authorities within their respective jurisdictions determine on the basis of a traffic engineering and traffic investigation that slow speeds on any part of a highway consistently impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic, the Commissioner or such local authority may determine and declare a minimum speed limit to be set forth on signs posted on such highway below which no person shall drive a vehicle except when necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law.

(Code 1950, § 46-212; 1950, p. 881; 1952, c. 666; 1954, c. 244; 1956, c. 364; 1958, c. 541, § 46.1-193; 1960, c. 153; 1962, c. 307; 1964, cc. 118, 408; 1966, c. 85; 1968, c. 641; 1972, cc. 89, 546, 553, 608; 1974, c. 528; 1977, c. 577; 1978, c. 605; 1980, c. 347; 1989, c. 727.)


And here is the Minnesota code:

169.15 IMPEDING TRAFFIC; INTERSECTION GRIDLOCK.
Subdivision 1.Impeding traffic; slow speed.

No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede or block the normal and reasonable movement of traffic except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation or in compliance with law or except when the vehicle is temporarily unable to maintain a greater speed due to a combination of the weight of the vehicle and the grade of the highway.

rocket3jjd said:

The one biker pulled in front of the range rover and slowed down range rover hit him he went down

Range rover is at fault period ......Just my opinion but I've seen the videos and that's what I think

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Please link the video you saw where the rider who cut in front and braked went down. He was bumped. He did not go down. Had he gone down he would have been run over and would probably be dead right now. This would have been his own fault. Instead, he was arrested and charged on several accounts. Tell me how the driver of the SUV was supposed to brake any harder knowing there were multiple bikes right on his ass? The SUV driver should be commended for stopping as safely as he did. What does he get instead? Multiple people striking his vehicle and slashing his tires causing him to fear for the safety of his family so he takes off. And this is his fault how?

I guess you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

USMC-R3 said:

In most situations sure, the driver who rear ends a vehicle is usually at fault...however, please explain how one is supposed to keep a safe distance when a vehicle, or a**hole biker in this case, cuts into their lane and immediately hits their brakes. The biker's dangerous, and just plain stupid, action allotted no reaction time for the driver to reduce following distance.
Are you condoning the practice of trying to to stop vehicles that weigh 4 to 5 times more than you with your bike? If so, I suggest not attempting to be an MSRF safety instructor.

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here are some thoughts from an "older" more lenient soul the ranger driver obviously never dealt with a mob be it on two wheels or otherwise and did everything wrong after the first bump.
if he had slowed down to a crawl and let all the two wheels fools go by there would not be any of this circus
even after the first bump He should have called 911 and stayed in his car at that point there was no road rage elements. he might have lost a headlight or a turn signal from the most irate rider at that point , but the second he rolled over the bike and fled he started a chain reaction that he could not possibly control anymore and thinking he could out run a bunch of riders is really dumb even in a state of panic in the worst way fleeing was the worst thing to do the direct result another rider injured more flared tempers leading to a lynching mentally from a bunch of irates riders most with low IQ since none tried to stop the violence against the driver.
both party are at fault in various ways . unfortunately this incident will be polarized by the media and used by some to push more restricting laws against bikes ,riders and the sport in general . sad all around

For someone just stating facts, you seem to be omitting a few crucial ones. Most importantly, the fact that the biker who executed the "I'm gonna try and stop this vehicle with my bike" maneuver, was the party who was cited with several traffic violations in this case and NOT the SUV driver. So from a legal standpoint, it would seem the law enforcement in that area, however slow and incompetent they may be, disagree with your conclusion of the SUV driver's guilt. Every state in this country has a form of a reckless driving regulation on the books to be applied whenever the situtation involves reckless behavior as it would be utterly impractical to list every possible action that you cannot do while operating a vehicle. So to counter your assertion that absolutely every time a driver rear ends somebody, it's their fault...if the incident is precipitated by said reckless behavior, as it clearly was in this case according to the reactions by law enforcement, such regulation is applied and the offending party is cited.
I can understand frustrations stemming from previous encounters with cars operated by drivers who have no respect or acknowledgement of motorcycles. I get it, as I too have had more of these encounters than I'd like to count. Objectivity, however, demands in this case, that we assess the reality that the biker's decision to behave recklessly with his motorcycle by simultaneously cutting directly in front of the SUV driver, turning backwards and looking directly at the Range Rover seemingly to say "watch this", and then slamming on his brakes, it can only be concluded that the biker wanted this incident to happen, he just didn't realize the extent or consequences that would follow.

Torque addict said:

Please link the video you saw where the rider who cut in front and braked went down. He was bumped. He did not go down. Had he gone down he would have been run over and would probably be dead right now. This would have been his own fault. Instead, he was arrested and charged on several accounts. Tell me how the driver of the SUV was supposed to brake any harder knowing there were multiple bikes right on his ass? The SUV driver should be commended for stopping as safely as he did. What does he get instead? Multiple people striking his vehicle and slashing his tires causing him to fear for the safety of his family so he takes off. And this is his fault how?

I guess you are entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is.

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How
did he possibly drive as far as he did with slashed tires
As for video it's number two as you search
All I'm saying is it's totally wrong
What was he thinking
Why didn't he wait for the cops
No let's run a fellow biker over and try to get away
With a bunch of his fellow riders there
There was no way to get away
He should have stayed there and waited for the cops
But he didn't
He's guilty
That's my opinion
That's what I saw from the dozen videos I've seen
He made the choice to drive over the biker instead of waiting for the cops
That from what I read should have taken three minutes to get there
If he would have slammed on the brakes and been hit by a dozen bikers after the guy pulled in front of him
Well they would have been at fault
It is tragic that this happened
However his is as much if not more at fault then the bikers
He should have not fled from the accident that he created and made it worse by driving over a biker

I think what the "A" hole that got rear ended was trying to do, was STOP all traffic behind him, so his buds could do stupid tricks in the middle of the road. These "A" holes were all over the road, wrong side, sidewalks etc. and now they want to cry cause one of their stupid buds got what he deserved, perhaps a little LESS than he deserved in my opinion. Like maybe run HIM through the shredder with his bike!

So if I am pulling a 20' boat down a hill with a diesel and an idiot on a mc swerves in front of me at an unsafe ditance and hits his brakes hard, would I be at fault for running the poor bastard over?

I doubt it. Though I sincerely hope I never hit anyone, let alone someone on a bike.

Maybe we should agree to disagree.

rocket3jjd said:

I'm not condoning this behavior at all I'm just stating facts
I've had people do this to me while in in a cage and on my bikes
The *****pulled in front of him and slowed down
HE SHOULD HAVE SLOWED DOWN
He didn't he hit him
In my state he is at fault period
Then he runs
After running over a bike or two
Really how did he expect it would end
He got off waaay lucky
Some of the people I know and ride with there would have been no video and no witnesses
But I've said too much
The SUV driver was at fault legally
Just as if some one would have cut you off to hit an exit ramp

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You are incorrect... yes, you are responsible to maintain a safe distance to the vehicle in front of you, but if a vehicle changes lanes without notification and without a safe distance, it's the vehicle that changed lanes at fault. Additionally, if the vehicle changed lanes purposely to interfere with traffic, they are again at fault...

There were over 200 complaints all weekend regarding these bikers, driving on sidewalks, blocking traffic to support stunts, etc... The police should have broken up the group long before this happen. I would also hold the police accountable.

Just my take

cootertwo said:

I think what the "A" hole that got rear ended was trying to do, was STOP all traffic behind him, so his buds could do stupid tricks in the middle of the road. These "A" holes were all over the road, wrong side, sidewalks etc. and now they want to cry cause one of their stupid buds got what he deserved, perhaps a little LESS than he deserved in my opinion. Like maybe run HIM through the shredder with his bike!

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Where and on what video were they on that day riding down sidewalks?

Just saying
The range rover driver is lucky to be alive
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