New R3s

Words and pictures will make a book, my eyes however want a look

and,Long before I can make a deal, My arse wants a genuine feel,

I love all Triumphs and the Rockets, bring these bikes to empty our pockets,

Enough has been said about it all, can't wait to see them, hopefully this fall
 
We shall see, when final dimensions are known.

I do believe you that's what he said, and perhaps that was he was told but...

300mm = 11.8 inches
RIIIR wheelbase 66.7"
So... 54.9" wheelbase for R3.

That's 600 sportbike territory, so it's not right, it's just not.

The 168 -185 how thing, I suspect mama T I posting "more than" to allow wiggle room. There's a trend in the car industry lately to advertise actual wheel power instead of flywheel, who knows.

The engine size, sorry but it's bigger/bulkier. While the actual dimensions may be shorter and narrower, when scaling and laying the new bike over the old, it is definitely bulkier. Which makes sense, it must be longer internally to accommodate increased bore spacing for the larger pistons by about 1 inch.

That picture posted btw, only supports my estimates.
89" front of front tire to rear of rear tire.
89" - 12.7" (back wheel radius), - 13.2 (front wheel radius), = 63.1" wheelbase. 3.6" shorter than the current.
 
The engine size, sorry but it's bigger/bulkier. While the actual dimensions may be shorter and narrower, when scaling and laying the new bike over the old, it is definitely bulkier.

I've actually handballed cylinder heads and crankcases from the new Rocket 3s in the Hinckley factory in March, these were my notes. Hope this clarifies the debate

 
I wonder what Carpenter could do with one a' them?
 
I wonder what Carpenter could do with one a' them?
I might be a bit hesitant to mod up one of these new expensive bikes and risk warranty claims if needed. This bike could have a few bugs to work out. I’ll give mine some time to prove itself and try a pipe, intake and tune first if needed. I would also have the option of continuing to push the ‘14 Roadster to higher performance.
 
I waited to do mine until out of warranty for that reason.
 
I waited to do mine until out of warranty for that reason.
I think it will take some time for aftermarket to develop anyways. I expect the new bikes will be plenty nice to enjoy stock for a while. I think there is more to like on these than just raw power.
 

The guy was one of the designers and had one of the developmental ones sitting IN his office. I wish i was allowed bikes in my office and house still...
 
The guy was one of the designers and had one of the developmental ones sitting IN his office. I wish i was allowed bikes in my office and house still...

As much as I completely believe you guys about what he said, and I am not discounting his credentials, analysis of images simply says the wheel base is not 300mm shorter, I am 100% certain of it.

The overall bike maybe 300mm shorter, but there's no way in high hell they would release a Rocket 3 with the wheelbase of a Yamaha R6/Daytona 675.


I suppose I should add that it's a good thing they didn't go crazy reducing the wheelbase of the new rocket. While a slight decrease in wheelbase and a slight decrease in trail will improve handling going all the way down mid 50s inches would make the bike extremely unpleasant to ride and basically ruin any sort of stability. The dimensions they ended up with are very close to what I ended up with by lifting the back of the motorcycle almost 2 in inches and lowering the front about 1.2 inches as many have done with longer shocks and a 140/75. The new bike will have more trail than the aforementioned modified bikes do and a steeper fork angle, so it'll probably feel even lighter and simultaneously have more stability.

It's going to feel about 200 pounds lighter then the current bike when in stock form on the road.

EDIT: Added the 52.88" line to show just how far short the 600cc sportbike wheel base is in comparison and why its not even possible.
 
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