Installed TORS today

dougl said:

The 20227 tune is for the stock mufflers with a catalytjc converter without catalyst in it. Don't see why you would want to use that. It's a stock tune. Hanso might have altered it with some pc trims - don't know. Have you looked in the tuneecu obsolete tunes? It might be there. If you Pm me with your email, I can send it and whatever other tunes I have from that series, where the base tune is 20222.

PS: I just noticed that the 20222 series including 20227 is in the current list of TuneECU tunes (but not the Hanso mod).

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Thanks @dougl you're right, it wouldn't be suitable. I thought it was something refined from the stock tune for TORS and cat deleted.

Lostride said:

I was going over the user manual for TuneECU and it says this:

To start a fast adaption:

Connect the (*Triumph) diagnostic tool *the fast adaption method is feasible with TuneECU
This will force a fast adaption routine in about 5 seconds. For this to happen the engine must be running, it must be at normal operating temperature and in closed loop mode.
Under any other conditions (such as engine not running) fast adaption will not occur and may cause default values to loaded which may then require a normal 12 minute adaption routine.

Also:

Either adaption method (Fast or 12 Minute) only adapt the idle area (of the tune map). All other areas ( covers cruise sites from 30 - 90 mph [50 - 145 km/h] ) can only adapt under load. The motorcycle will adapt over time during normal use.

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You don't have the Triumph tool, and if you load a tune where the O2 sensor is disabled, it's not going to adapt anyway.

Lostride said:

Thanks @dougl you're right, it wouldn't be suitable. I thought it was something refined from the stock tune for TORS and cat deleted.

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Apparently, the tune in question is something Hanso enhancoed.

cr0ft said:

From what I gather, resetting adaptations and doing the "12-minute-tune" is just good practice to give the ECU something to start from and go from there. The ECU is learning all the time regardless and is constantly adapting to wear and tear etc to keep the bike running smoothly. It's not a panacea, though, if the tune doesn't fit.

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The ecu definitely adapts over time. I used to run the decel tune but with the O2 on. Initialy, after reseting adaptation to the factory settings, the popping would be much diminished. But the ecu tends to lean it out in response to the o2 signal and after a while the popping would come back.

Lostride said:

So I made the changes and unchecked the O2 sensor (I hadn't done that previously, wasn't sure what to do) and went to the gas station about 4 km away (2 1/2 miles). I could hardly get it to run without feathering the throttle. It seemed to be running hot and still lots of back firing, soft idle but seemingly lots of power when you give it the stick. After I gassed up, turing the ignition back on and it seemed to idle ok so I took it to an empty lot and did the 12 minute thing to be sure (my neighbors must be getting sick of the noise!). Having done that I only got a short ways down the road and it wouldn't stay lit on throttle down to idle so I pulled over to let it cool a bit. I got impatient and just rode it home working the throttle at lights etc. It sure ran like a dog with that tune in it for some reason, but plenty of power off idle seemingly...

I have just reloaded the 20226 tune and parked it down the street a bit to cool off (I need a beer).. I will give it the adaption cycle and annoy the neighbors down the road this time..

I will go easy on the decel with the stock tune and have a think about my next move.. at least it is ridable for now (hopefully). I might seek out someone local that can take a look at the setup, also the dealer said they have a 'rocket guy' so maybe I will see how they handle it.

Thanks for your advice, I will keep y,all posted.

oh, btw I am running 98 Octane unleaded

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I sorry mate but all these facts and figures does my head in, All I did with my 2011 R3T was buy a set of TORS and a K&N under seat (in standard air box) and a GoPro GPI fit them then then take it to the Dyno guy who derestricted it to his own custom tune and set it up for my style(old Fart) riding that was 12months and 10,000 Ks ago it goes like a scalded cat and runs as smooth as silk no popping or rough idle /or stalling more than happy with my only slightly modified Rocket

Lostride said:

I would be interested in the 20227 tune just to have it available as something to try. I have downloaded the entire Triumph tune library but it is not on hand (I am at work) at the moment so I can't check if I already have it (the 20227 tune). Is it a custom tune from @HansO and perhaps not in the library?

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Sometimes I wish I was more savy to the the intricate art of electronic engine tuning ,but at times I am glad to follow my Dear old Dads advice Don't Feck around with things you know nothing about,I just bolted on the TORS and slipped in a K&N filter in the original air box ,gently rode it up to the Dyno bloke ,he installed his custom Tune? and dynode the bike 12 months later it is still running nicely no

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I sorry mate but all these facts and figures does my head in, All I did with my 2011 R3T was buy a set of TORS and a K&N under seat (in standard air box) and a GoPro GPI fit them then then take it to the Dyno guy who derestricted it to his own custom tune and set it up for my style(old Fart) riding that was 12months and 10,000 Ks ago it goes like a scalded cat and runs as smooth as silk no popping or rough idle /or stalling more than happy with my only slightly modified Rocket


Sometimes I wish I was more savy to the the intricate art of electronic engine tuning ,but at times I am glad to follow my Dear old Dads advice Don't Feck around with things you know nothing about,I just bolted on the TORS and slipped in a K&N filter in the original air box ,gently rode it up to the Dyno bloke ,he installed his custom Tune? and dynode the bike 12 months later it is still running nicely no

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Yep I agree, my last resort was take it to the dyno guy ( any recommendations for one in Brisbane?).

So I have decided to get the bike dyno tuned and she is booked for June 1 (@cusso ken ). They use TuneECU so it will be interesting to see how the map turns out. I will grab a screenshot of the 20050 comparison when it's done for those interested in seeing the differences in the map.

Good one! I can only comment on my own experiences ,but I have had great results with several of my bikes with the Dyno guy near Newcastle NSW,

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So I have decided to get the bike dyno tuned and she is booked for June 1 (@cusso ken ). They use TuneECU so it will be interesting to see how the map turns out. I will grab a screenshot of the 20050 comparison when it's done for those interested in seeing the differences in the map.

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That's great you have a tuner who can work with TuneEcu.

I think I have this thing running reasonably well at last (shouldn't speak too soon!). So after a bit of mucking around with TuneECU, learning the routine for uploading maps and resetting adaption I think the bike is running as well as I think is possible without further refining it on a dyno. Here is the basic situation and what seems to have worked:

Bike: 2006 Classic, TORS and cat delete, K&N under seat filter, 95 Octane fuel (Aussie, BP), 20226 map.
Issue: High/Low idle, some backfiring on decel. Running the bike hard through 2,3,4 (~6000 rpm) would stick idle at 2000 rpm and not return to idle until off/on cycle. Low throttle around town in traffic and high temps the bike would not idle and die.
Things I did: Sprayed WD40 in and around the ISC, I read through a lot of old posts about the issue and saw this mentioned. I figure it was getting stuck because (I am just supposing, I am not an expert), as it got hotter it just got worse (heat=friction). Throttle position 0% stepper stuck. Higher throttle positions near WOT and throttle close, stepper can't go back. Shut down and left it overnight. Next day bike started, but wasn't easy to start. Rode about 150Km highway, the bike ran pretty good but was a bit difficult to start on 2 stops along the way. Pulling in it wouldn't hold idle and died. I figured the WD40 had helped but had evaporated (it is not a lubricant as such). I went back in (around the stepper motor and various bits attached) with INNOX and let it soak in a while.
After trying the 20050 map I put the stock 20226 (Triumph TORS config) map back in (bike temp was near 100C, to reduce wait time for adaption). This time a ran a few tests (idle voltage test was .058 - .072(ish). After moving all the bits (in software tests) the bike started well! did the Reset Adaption while bike was running. and let it sit a while 8-10 mins. I shut down and waited a minute then restarted. It started normally and I went for a 30 minute highway ride to do a bit of load adaption. The bike seemed to be "normal" again!! I have left it overnight and not started it today. Tonight I will see how it is all holding up and report back.

Anyways, I think I will cancel the dyno booking and stay with the 20226 tune for now. If it ain't broke don't fix it (!) for now anyway and ride a bit more. I think I will still like to do a dyno tune, but when everything is sorted out properly.