Thanks for the suggestions, i think i have a pretty good start on a kit, splug wrench, sockets, wrenches, vice grips, needle nose pliers, screwdriver and bits, head mounted and hand held light, bailing wire, electrical tape, and portable air pump, and if necessary jumper cables. for my type of riding, i never know what i'll be doing, could be just romping around the city in which case no big deal, or if i'm with other people there idea of a ride around the area encompasses about 150km in any and all directions