Haha, in Virginia, Dan didn't think I could make it to where to the motel portion from our cabin on foot, so I was going to ride him on the back over. He's almost certainly over 300 lbs, k12 is high cog bike, I went 20 feet and made him get off. He said well, I wiggled around on purpose to see the effect, I said how did that work out for you, now you're walking? Still dropped it leaving for my cabin, luckily Jay was still up and helped me pick it up.