Clutch gone after 2 months......

Jason Jurgens said:

Ànd that there is why so many modern bikes have several warnings about applying the front brake and doing a burn out. And I think this is the cause of @Rock Ape 's clutch failure. Hence my previous comment about placing the front wheel against an immovable object.
I know on my BMW, there is no way to disable this unless you have the Enduro plug-in module and select Enduro Pro mode which disables every electronic assistance.

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Funny thing is the Triumph Distributer here as I mentioned said; "As long as TC is disabled, you can do burnouts all day long!". That didn't make me feel any better as I didn't believe it whatsoever.

Rock Ape said:

Funny thing is the Triumph Distributer here as I mentioned said; "As long as TC is disabled, you can do burnouts all day long!". That didn't make me feel any better as I didn't believe it whatsoever.

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And yes, that would be true, as long as you don't start them by pulling on the front brake.

I'll have to go and take another look at my GT to be sure, but i don't recall seeing a link line in the brake system to connect front to rear like you might see on a goldwing that has linked brakes, on those models the linking is done by the foot brake, which will activate the rear and one front caliper, the hand brake would run the other front caliper. if the Triumph does it, maybe it does it through the ABS module?

There are front-rear links like the Rocket, and rear-front links like the Honda. Big difference.

Guys, FYI. This is from Triumph:

"Traction Control works with the computers that are looking at wheel speed, one the wheel speed is different ( wheel stand / burn out any thing that makes one wheel faster or slower ) that’s when the Traction Control kicks in. now when traction control is engaged the ECU detects this and adj the power to engine or ABS does it’s thing In ABS.

Basically Traction Control and ABS detect wheel speed and to adj. accordingly. Now in all Triumph use what we call a Torque Assist clutch, what a Torque Assist Clutch does is it applies more or less pressure on the clutch plates depending on how much power you are trying to put to the ground. ( when the power is on hard the harder pressure is on the clutch plate ) (off the power less pressure on the clutch ). Now when power is on and the traction control is engaged then pressure on the clutch does momentarily lesson until the required wheel speed is achieved then the traction control then goes back to not engaged.

Now when some tries to do a wheel stand or burn out with the traction control is on and said person keeps trying repeatedly it can cause the clutch to jump In and out and make the clutch vibrate overheat and slip, once the clutch slips it will continue to slip until you back out of it . or when it vibrates violently it can brake a clutch plate then you loose all drive. ( this is what happened to the one on the press launch and according to the photo’s I have been supplied yours )

Now you might say that this a fault, Big bike , A lot of power, why not put a regular clutch in it . when operated properly the Torque Assist Clutch is the strongest clutch you can use. It has many benefits like a very light clutch feel for a 2.5 litre 221 nm of torque.it achieves this by only using 3 clutch spring compared to most clutches that 5 or 6 springs it can do this due to the ramp set up in the Slip Assist set up. It also operates as a slipper clutch so when you down shift into a lower gear than maybe you should have, it stops the back from locking up under engine braking. The lighter clutch lever reduces rider fatigue delivers a smooth operating clutch delivery when starting and stopping as well as being able to handle the power of the Rocket 3 and the rest of the Triumph range deliver to it.

If we remember to turn the Traction Control off we can do wheel stands and burn outs without any damaging the clutch as we proved on the press launch a well because we had about 8 bikes there on the race track all of them were doing hot starts wheel stands and burn outs and we only broke the one that the journo forgot to turn it off ( more than once I might ad ) names withheld".

Thank you, I wondered if that could be the case.

Frosty Rider said:

I'll have to go and take another look at my GT to be sure, but i don't recall seeing a link line in the brake system to connect front to rear like you might see on a goldwing that has linked brakes, on those models the linking is done by the foot brake, which will activate the rear and one front caliper, the hand brake would run the other front caliper. if the Triumph does it, maybe it does it through the ABS module?

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A picture paints....

I wondered if there was a way the traction control could slip the clutch if it detected wheel spin, makes sense that doing burnouts with traction control on could damage clutch. I guess the traction control could still be faulty, everything and anything that functions can also fail. Even though turned off with button, was still activating.

You say you’d had the TC off for ages. By that did you mean you’d been turning it off every time you started the bike? I’m pretty sure the default is always to reset it when the bike is shut down. Certainly the case on all the Triumphs with TC that I own or have ridden.

In any case, it seems that using the brakes the hold the bike still for a burn out is not a great idea, as these guys found out.

CanberraR3 said:

You say you’d had the TC off for ages. By that did you mean you’d been turning it off every time you started the bike? I’m pretty sure the default is always to reset it when the bike is shut down. Certainly the case on all the Triumphs with TC that I own or have ridden.

In any case, it seems that using the brakes the hold the bike still for a burn out is not a great idea, as these guys found out.

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Yeah you have to manually turn it off each time you start the bike.